. >> when it comes to our tax code, governor romney and i both agree our corporate tax rate is too high, so i want to lower it, particularly for manufacturing, taking it down to 25%, but i also want to close those loopholes that are giving incentives for companies that are shipping jobs overseas, i want to provide tax breaks for companies that are investing here in the united states. >> you said you get a deduction for taking a plantoverseas? i've been in business for 25 years, i have no idea what you're talking about. >> so i don't either. because i actually don't know the tax code that well. are there actually incentives currently, hal, that encourage people to take their jobs out of the united states? >> well, both the president and mitt romney are both right the way they answered the question. the reality is we don't have a specific incentive to take jobs out of the u.s. but what happens is if you can move your taxable income to another jurisdiction that has a low tax rate, like china, you can pay less taxes in total as long as you don't repatriate the money back to the u.s. the pre